Mahama and his team have demonstrated that they lack what it takes in terms of qualification, experience, track record, talent, professionalism, honesty and credibility to manage corporate Ghana.
There have been appointmen ... read full comment
Mahama and his team have demonstrated that they lack what it takes in terms of qualification, experience, track record, talent, professionalism, honesty and credibility to manage corporate Ghana.
There have been appointments, re-appointments, spending of tax payers' monies in millions on this SADA project without seeing any results or impact on the economy or the country.
How do you run a project like SADA without a proper initial design with timelines and milestones, to check and review progress and to take remedial action if something is going wrong.
Ghanaians have been fed with propaganda, lies, damn lies and statistics about what the government is going to do for the last five years; yet nothing can be seen to have been done. The guinea fowl project and tree planting are examples.
Instead of hiring technocrats with experience of successful accomplishments in the corporate world worldwide, to participate in the development of Ghana, the selection process has been whittled down to only appointees with political affiliation to the ruling party, excluding most professionals who do not even belong to any political party.
This makes nonsense of any touted policy of inclusiveness of everyone in the development of Ghana. This is not how you change the 'winner take all' mentality prevailing in Ghana at the moment.
So the appointments and re-ppointments go on and if you dare criticise the government whoever you are, the response from the government through their propaganda information ministers is that you have been instigated by the NPP to say that.
The other tool being used by NDC spokespersons is that of political equalisation; the npp did this so we do the same. For goodness sake the voters asked you to come in because they did not like the npp. They did not vote you in to become copycats and to do worse than the npp.
Why don't you face up to the fact that unfortunately, you do not simply have the people to do a good job for Ghana. Borrowing 4 billion dollars in one year and showing nothing for it so far is an INDICTMENT on any government, especially the NDC.
The 10 years ago
Information minister is telling us that he is unsure if Nunoo Mensah is the National Security Adviser. What kind of government is this. No wonder things are falling apart in Ghana.
Information minister is telling us that he is unsure if Nunoo Mensah is the National Security Adviser. What kind of government is this. No wonder things are falling apart in Ghana.
Loyalist 10 years ago
Dumso
Dumso
GIRLS SP 10 years ago
YOU CAN BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MAHAMA WILL TAKE GHANA TO NO WHERE THE GUY IS CORRUPT AND USELESS.
YOU CAN BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MAHAMA WILL TAKE GHANA TO NO WHERE THE GUY IS CORRUPT AND USELESS.
Billy 10 years ago
Even though Atta Mills was a little bit stupid as a professor he was 1000% better than the criminal, corrupt and tribal Mahama.
Even though Atta Mills was a little bit stupid as a professor he was 1000% better than the criminal, corrupt and tribal Mahama.
PISTO 10 years ago
NA YOUR PAPA BE STUPID. ABOA BI BA. YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL ALWAYS INSULT YOUR ELDERS. MAY GOD JUDGE YOU RIGHT. FOOOOOOOOOOOL
NA YOUR PAPA BE STUPID. ABOA BI BA. YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL ALWAYS INSULT YOUR ELDERS. MAY GOD JUDGE YOU RIGHT. FOOOOOOOOOOOL
Mr Kwaku Yaw 10 years ago
He is gone so please let him rest in peace
He is gone so please let him rest in peace
Error President 10 years ago
What a useless bunch in government? It's very sad to be Ghanaian at the moment.
What a useless bunch in government? It's very sad to be Ghanaian at the moment.
Kweku Boateng Jnr. 10 years ago
Doc well come. Please do not throw away any good project that Iddi started. Keep up and focus. Continue the effort by SADA through South Africans to implement the construction of solar farms and mini hydro dams such as the J ... read full comment
Doc well come. Please do not throw away any good project that Iddi started. Keep up and focus. Continue the effort by SADA through South Africans to implement the construction of solar farms and mini hydro dams such as the Juale on the Oti, Daboya, and others. Help President Mahama to ensure net energy for the country. On education it is technical education that would make the big difference. Polish is the second language in London today because the Poles who visit or work in the UK are plumbers, electricians, cooks, etc, technical education produces women and men who use their brains and hands! Good luck Doc, be calm, respectful as you are and focus on results. Honesty is the best legacy. And do declare your assets now.
william 10 years ago
SAVE YOURSELF FROM DARKNESS!
SAVE YOURSELF FROM DARKNESS!
Kwame 10 years ago
Jebuni has also been appointed like Kobby Acheampong to clean up the mess caused by Mahama's unqualified/corrupt Northerners all over the place.
After seeing the mess being caused by northerners on projects that are supposed ... read full comment
Jebuni has also been appointed like Kobby Acheampong to clean up the mess caused by Mahama's unqualified/corrupt Northerners all over the place.
After seeing the mess being caused by northerners on projects that are supposed to help their communities, i now understand why the three northern regions remain very poor. It's the sad truth.
Assinman Ba, Columbus,Ohio 10 years ago
Say it again Fredsaid. This government
is absolutely dummy.
Say it again Fredsaid. This government
is absolutely dummy.
GHFUO, change ur thinking 10 years ago
SUPER SPORT DEAL FOR GPL TELEVISION COVERAGE
HOW DO U SELL THE LEAGUE RIGHTS TO SUPER SPORT FOR $700,000 A YR, NOW GFA SAYS ITS 2.1 MILLION?. JESUS CHRIST, THIS GUY IS TOO STUPID TO BE GFA HEAD. SUPERSPORT WILL NOW SELL SOME ... read full comment
SUPER SPORT DEAL FOR GPL TELEVISION COVERAGE
HOW DO U SELL THE LEAGUE RIGHTS TO SUPER SPORT FOR $700,000 A YR, NOW GFA SAYS ITS 2.1 MILLION?. JESUS CHRIST, THIS GUY IS TOO STUPID TO BE GFA HEAD. SUPERSPORT WILL NOW SELL SOME OF THE GAMES TO TV COMPANIES/NATIONS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING/WATCHING GH LEAGUE GAMES. IS 700,000 DOLLARS A GOOD ENUFF FIGURE FOR GFA N OUR LEAGUE CLUBS? LOOK AT THE POPULARITY OF GH SOCCER IN AFRICA N ALL OVER THE WORLD. ON WAT BASIS/CRITERIA DID SUPERSPORT N GFA REACH TO DECIDE ON THIS MEAGRE FIGURE? LOOK, GH LEAGUE IS NOT LIKE THE TANZANIAN OR MALAWI LEAGUE TO COMMAND SUCH LOW FIGURES. WE HAVE MADE A NAME FOR OUR BRAND OF SOCCER OVER THE YRS.
FOLKS, THIS IS WHAT THE PREMIER LEAGUE IN UK DOES....LOOK AT HE SUPERSPORT FIGURES FOR NAIGERIA AND KENYA? WHY ARE WE GETTING LESS MONEY, LESS GAMES PER WEEK COMPARRED TO KENYA AN NAIJA?
PRIMITIVE GH, GFA...U SEE $2.1 MILLION for 3 yrs FROM SUPERSPORT, U LOSE UR REASONING. WHEN U COULD HVE GOTTEN MORE. GYIMI MPANIN TOTO GFA! KENYA N NAIJA ARE GETTING 10 TIMES MORE!
South African satellite channel SuperSport International has agreed to pay in excess of R2-billion (approximately US$285-million) for the TV, mobile and internet rights for the country’s
Premier Soccer League (PSL) over the next five years. SuperSport has signed a US$2.5 million deal with the Football Association of Zambia (FAZ) to secure the broadcasting rights to the country's top soccer league.
The deal will run from 2011 to 2013. Nigeria's top domestic soccer league has secured a four-year broadcast deal with SuperSport reported as worth US$34 million in total.
The Ugandan Super League (USL),has inked a US$5 million, 5year broadcast deal with South African-based sports channel SuperSport.
South African pay-TV operator SuperSport has agreed a broadcast deal with the Football Kenya Federation (FKF), the deal will see SuperSport provide live coverage of 20 matches from Kenya’s
second division, starting with Wednesday’s match between Nakumatt FC and Moyas FC, until the end of the current season. The Tusker Premier League, the highest level of club soccer in Kenya,
has signed a three-and-a-half year deal with Puma. The deal, which is worth US$117,000 overall, will see Puma sponsor and supply match balls used in the league. "The partnership between KPL and Puma will cost Kshs ten million over three and a half years.
“Each team will be provided with balls while Puma will gain on pitch side branding and as well on the broadcasting point of view SuperSport will be able to capture the brand.”
East Africa Breweries Limited's (EABL) Tusker brand has been announced as the new title sponsor of the Kenyan Premier League (KPL). The multi-year agreement, worth US$1.96 million overall,
sees the top flight of soccer within Kenya officially known as the Tusker Premier League for the next three years.
Kenyan Premier League (KPL) sides Mathare United and Ulinzi Stars have announced new sponsorship deals with Puma and Metropolitan Life respectively.
Mathare United's one-year apparel deal with Puma sees the German sports manufacturer supplying the soccer team with boots, replica merchandise to sell to fans as well as playing and training kit.
The combined value of Puma's contribution will total US$34,000. Meanwhile KPL champions Ulinzi Stars, a soccer team made up of the country's military servicemen, have signed a US$17,000 deal with Metropolitan Life Insurance.
The Zambian Super Division is also sponsored by MTN Zambia, which in June announced a 2.4 billion kwacha (about US$480 000), as their sponsorship package this year for both Chipolopolo and the top-flight league with the winner of the championship race getting about US$50 000.
With Dynamos collecting US$75 000, for winning the Premiership title last year under the sponsorship deal between the PSL and Delta Beverages through their Castle Lager brand, it appears the domestic Premiership is still, to some extent, better sponsored compared to the one in Zambia.
The Kenyan Premier League is operated and run as a private limited company incorporated in October 2003 under the Companies Act of Kenya. It is fully owned and managed by the 16 member clubs with each club being a shareholder
KPL and SuperSport signed a $5.5 million four-year partnership deal, the biggest football sponsorship in the country and in the region. The deal
which is expected to expire in 2011 will see a renegotiated contract double that amount to $11 million.
Sammy 10 years ago
THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE.SADA IS FINANCIALY EMPTY!OH GOD HELP THESE
POOR NOTRHENERS!!AMEN!
THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE.SADA IS FINANCIALY EMPTY!OH GOD HELP THESE
POOR NOTRHENERS!!AMEN!
NKELEKE KORMI 10 years ago
ah, why not appoint the dr. as the ceo? or he is not from the north, as you want it? as for you mahama, you are a disappointment.
ah, why not appoint the dr. as the ceo? or he is not from the north, as you want it? as for you mahama, you are a disappointment.
Ghanaian 10 years ago
Hi Mahama keep cool. You have what they want.
Hi Mahama keep cool. You have what they want.
DSP RAS ARBAN, NAKPANDURI 10 years ago
I heard on news file that Mahama has not finish appointing ministers so lets leave him to appoint because his time is only to use the 4 yrs to appoint, loot, share and put first gear. what has he done to the former sada boss? ... read full comment
I heard on news file that Mahama has not finish appointing ministers so lets leave him to appoint because his time is only to use the 4 yrs to appoint, loot, share and put first gear. what has he done to the former sada boss? oh what a shame mahama
leslie 10 years ago
the solution to the deprivation of the north is education.
the only legacy we northeners expect the Prez to leave is educational advancement ie. building schools and accommodation for teachers, providing scholarships to stud ... read full comment
the solution to the deprivation of the north is education.
the only legacy we northeners expect the Prez to leave is educational advancement ie. building schools and accommodation for teachers, providing scholarships to students and teachers, building libraries, equipping schools with necessary infrastructure for science and technical education, etc.
Guinea fowl rearing etc just provide opportunity for people to milk the national purse.
Good luck to Dr. Jebuni.
Pontius Pilate 10 years ago
africa and technicalities. even before the SADA tree could bear its first fruits, it is being met with restructuring and refocusing. what was the previous direction and focus? what has necessitated a drastic shift? who did wh ... read full comment
africa and technicalities. even before the SADA tree could bear its first fruits, it is being met with restructuring and refocusing. what was the previous direction and focus? what has necessitated a drastic shift? who did what evaluation?
can we stop the merry-go-round and get to business. so the former chief executive what did he achieve before we are appointing a new one. he has been paid, accommodated and paid ex-gratia. off he goes with nothing to show. we are being told now about restructuring.
this clearly shows our trial and error approach to serious business.
wish them good luck whoever and whatever
Whatever 10 years ago
Thankfully the additional directive given by the president shows he's not stopping there.
Thankfully the additional directive given by the president shows he's not stopping there.
cha 10 years ago
Every appointment is a northerner- this govt is beyond sick
Every appointment is a northerner- this govt is beyond sick
PROFESSOR THOMAS KUBI- McA 10 years ago
RECRUITMENT EXECUTIVE MAHAMA ???
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MAHAMA CONCERNTRATION ON ENGAGING HIS
ASSOCIATES IS UNTENABLE ANACHRONISTIC
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MAMAHA FIRST ADVERTISEMENT ... read full comment
RECRUITMENT EXECUTIVE MAHAMA ???
=====================================
MAHAMA CONCERNTRATION ON ENGAGING HIS
ASSOCIATES IS UNTENABLE ANACHRONISTIC
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MAMAHA FIRST ADVERTISEMENT OF THIS JOB IN LONDON ECONOMICS MAGAZINE WAS A RECKLESS CORPORATE SHAMBOLIC
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IT IS A THRO AWAY EXPENDITURE !!!
MAHAMA MUST BE JODICIOUS
PROFESSOR THOMAS KUBI( FOUNDER
GHANA KNOWLEDGE BANK
WWW .CUSTOMERMETRO.COM
ASIEDU NKETIA 10 years ago
So what happened to the commitee report on the Guinea fowl which flew to Burkina faso. I am sure the report was swept under the carpet because Mahama knows Ghanaians are fools with short memory or simply does care is pili-tri ... read full comment
So what happened to the commitee report on the Guinea fowl which flew to Burkina faso. I am sure the report was swept under the carpet because Mahama knows Ghanaians are fools with short memory or simply does care is pili-trick-cians mis-manage their resouses
concern ghanian 10 years ago
MAHAMA, FINISH GYEEDA BEFORE WADTING ANOTHER MONEY IN THE NORTH.
MAHAMA, FINISH GYEEDA BEFORE WADTING ANOTHER MONEY IN THE NORTH.
J Jerry 10 years ago
It is a curse for northner to rule ghana ,It is writing in our white papaer and sign by Dr Nkrumah fo. we alll must let the Pepe northener to understand not to distroy this country for us the can rule thier Cattles ans ... read full comment
It is a curse for northner to rule ghana ,It is writing in our white papaer and sign by Dr Nkrumah fo. we alll must let the Pepe northener to understand not to distroy this country for us the can rule thier Cattles ans AKONFEM Geniue fowls and not the Jubilee House .for it is a great curse to the Nation
karim mumin 10 years ago
U are disgrace to humanity God makes kings .
U are disgrace to humanity God makes kings .
Akadu Mensema 10 years ago
We need Forest Aceelerated Development plan run by we the forest dwellers!
We need Forest Aceelerated Development plan run by we the forest dwellers!
Kweku Boateng Jnr. 10 years ago
Thank you Akadu.
FADA is needed for the whole country, as you know, without FADA northern Ghana can't continue to produce rain to feed our great Akosombo, Kpong etc. Good idea for Ghana and West Africa. Thank you.
Thank you Akadu.
FADA is needed for the whole country, as you know, without FADA northern Ghana can't continue to produce rain to feed our great Akosombo, Kpong etc. Good idea for Ghana and West Africa. Thank you.
ECOMINI 10 years ago
Thanks Akadu, I am sure most people commenting here do not get your multi-pronged comment. Yes we also need FADA which will be managed by we forest dwellers.
Thanks Akadu, I am sure most people commenting here do not get your multi-pronged comment. Yes we also need FADA which will be managed by we forest dwellers.
LET ALONE SADA 10 years ago
STUPID NORTHERNERS
STUPID NORTHERNERS
GOOD FOR WATCHMEN 10 years ago
NOTHERNERS ARE FOOLS
NOTHERNERS ARE FOOLS
Iddisah-- Lekpe 10 years ago
Kicking Mr Gilbert Seidu Iddi is the best the President should do since he is not living up to expectation .
Kicking Mr Gilbert Seidu Iddi is the best the President should do since he is not living up to expectation .
Iddi Adam 10 years ago
This is the first step. The next step is to remove the entire Board and prosecute these leeches ho are northerns and killing SADA at inception. Good work Mahama ; but more is needed
This is the first step. The next step is to remove the entire Board and prosecute these leeches ho are northerns and killing SADA at inception. Good work Mahama ; but more is needed
Yaw Adu-Asare 10 years ago
Let's check out Jebuni's record.
Let's check out Jebuni's record.
Sulley Poverty 10 years ago
This has nothing to do with Jebuni or the President. This is Sulley's handiwork. Sulley is the guy who has made a personal fortune from trumpeting the poverty and development challenges of Northern Ghana. Sulley is the one ... read full comment
This has nothing to do with Jebuni or the President. This is Sulley's handiwork. Sulley is the guy who has made a personal fortune from trumpeting the poverty and development challenges of Northern Ghana. Sulley is the one calling the shots here and its is because he wants to maintain control at SADA that he has engineered for his protege to be made the SADA boss. Note that the announcement was made on the eve of Sulley's departure from the country for medical treatment, when the Minister in Charge of SADA was out of the country and not consulted. Sulley has pulled the SADA strings ever since the program was initiated. Who doesn't know that it was Sulley who steamrolled the GHc 35 million afforestation and GHc 30 million Guinea Fowl project through and rammed it down the throat of the CEO? As for Jebuni the least said about him the better. This is the guy who has been fingered in illegal expenditure from DFID on the SADA design and start up. He is also known to be involved in a massive scam with Chemico on a GHC 5 million fertilizer deal. Jebuni is so cheap that he goes around SADA service providers collecting as little as GHC 5,000. Ask Jebuni about the GHC 80,000 recoveries made from Plus One for butternut farming after an outlay of GHC2.5 million. Ask Jebuni about the 30% recovery from maize input support farming after more than GHC 20 million had been pumped in? Ask Jebuni whether he has assisted SADA to recover a cedi out of the over 35,000bags of maize from the input support program from last year. Ask Jebuni about the state of the maize recovered from last years input support program. The maize is in a bad state and when the recovery from GHC 20 million in input support is computed, it will work out to less than 10% - what a monumental loss to the state. Jebuni is the guy, who as technical adviser to SADA competes with low level staff to go to the field for monitoring and the signing of service agreements. Is this the guy to lead SADA. Ooh my God, God help Ghana, God help SADA. More to come -- stay tuned.
Nii Bi 10 years ago
The same old guinea fowl and re-aforestation thieves. It's jebuni's time to chop some. As a technical advisor, what kind of advise did he give technically for the sada project? Apart from technically building mansions all ove ... read full comment
The same old guinea fowl and re-aforestation thieves. It's jebuni's time to chop some. As a technical advisor, what kind of advise did he give technically for the sada project? Apart from technically building mansions all over the place for themselves with free Ghana money.
What kind of government is this? Is it for the people or for their people?
ADA 10 years ago
The north needs dams in every constituency and not feasibility reports prepared by consultants. I, as a business man will not depend on a feasibility report prepared by somebody i did not assign. I will appoint my own consult ... read full comment
The north needs dams in every constituency and not feasibility reports prepared by consultants. I, as a business man will not depend on a feasibility report prepared by somebody i did not assign. I will appoint my own consultant with a clear focus on what i need from him and not depend on consultants appointed by the Board with the aim of siphoning out the resources of SADA. The new Board must re-focus and ensure that the monies already looted are recovered for the rural northerner.
Mahama and his team have demonstrated that they lack what it takes in terms of qualification, experience, track record, talent, professionalism, honesty and credibility to manage corporate Ghana.
There have been appointmen ...
read full comment
Information minister is telling us that he is unsure if Nunoo Mensah is the National Security Adviser. What kind of government is this. No wonder things are falling apart in Ghana.
Dumso
YOU CAN BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MAHAMA WILL TAKE GHANA TO NO WHERE THE GUY IS CORRUPT AND USELESS.
Even though Atta Mills was a little bit stupid as a professor he was 1000% better than the criminal, corrupt and tribal Mahama.
NA YOUR PAPA BE STUPID. ABOA BI BA. YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL ALWAYS INSULT YOUR ELDERS. MAY GOD JUDGE YOU RIGHT. FOOOOOOOOOOOL
He is gone so please let him rest in peace
What a useless bunch in government? It's very sad to be Ghanaian at the moment.
Doc well come. Please do not throw away any good project that Iddi started. Keep up and focus. Continue the effort by SADA through South Africans to implement the construction of solar farms and mini hydro dams such as the J ...
read full comment
SAVE YOURSELF FROM DARKNESS!
Jebuni has also been appointed like Kobby Acheampong to clean up the mess caused by Mahama's unqualified/corrupt Northerners all over the place.
After seeing the mess being caused by northerners on projects that are supposed ...
read full comment
Say it again Fredsaid. This government
is absolutely dummy.
SUPER SPORT DEAL FOR GPL TELEVISION COVERAGE
HOW DO U SELL THE LEAGUE RIGHTS TO SUPER SPORT FOR $700,000 A YR, NOW GFA SAYS ITS 2.1 MILLION?. JESUS CHRIST, THIS GUY IS TOO STUPID TO BE GFA HEAD. SUPERSPORT WILL NOW SELL SOME ...
read full comment
THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE.SADA IS FINANCIALY EMPTY!OH GOD HELP THESE
POOR NOTRHENERS!!AMEN!
ah, why not appoint the dr. as the ceo? or he is not from the north, as you want it? as for you mahama, you are a disappointment.
Hi Mahama keep cool. You have what they want.
I heard on news file that Mahama has not finish appointing ministers so lets leave him to appoint because his time is only to use the 4 yrs to appoint, loot, share and put first gear. what has he done to the former sada boss? ...
read full comment
the solution to the deprivation of the north is education.
the only legacy we northeners expect the Prez to leave is educational advancement ie. building schools and accommodation for teachers, providing scholarships to stud ...
read full comment
africa and technicalities. even before the SADA tree could bear its first fruits, it is being met with restructuring and refocusing. what was the previous direction and focus? what has necessitated a drastic shift? who did wh ...
read full comment
Thankfully the additional directive given by the president shows he's not stopping there.
Every appointment is a northerner- this govt is beyond sick
RECRUITMENT EXECUTIVE MAHAMA ???
=====================================
MAHAMA CONCERNTRATION ON ENGAGING HIS
ASSOCIATES IS UNTENABLE ANACHRONISTIC
=======================================
MAMAHA FIRST ADVERTISEMENT ...
read full comment
So what happened to the commitee report on the Guinea fowl which flew to Burkina faso. I am sure the report was swept under the carpet because Mahama knows Ghanaians are fools with short memory or simply does care is pili-tri ...
read full comment
MAHAMA, FINISH GYEEDA BEFORE WADTING ANOTHER MONEY IN THE NORTH.
It is a curse for northner to rule ghana ,It is writing in our white papaer and sign by Dr Nkrumah fo. we alll must let the Pepe northener to understand not to distroy this country for us the can rule thier Cattles ans ...
read full comment
U are disgrace to humanity God makes kings .
We need Forest Aceelerated Development plan run by we the forest dwellers!
Thank you Akadu.
FADA is needed for the whole country, as you know, without FADA northern Ghana can't continue to produce rain to feed our great Akosombo, Kpong etc. Good idea for Ghana and West Africa. Thank you.
Thanks Akadu, I am sure most people commenting here do not get your multi-pronged comment. Yes we also need FADA which will be managed by we forest dwellers.
STUPID NORTHERNERS
NOTHERNERS ARE FOOLS
Kicking Mr Gilbert Seidu Iddi is the best the President should do since he is not living up to expectation .
This is the first step. The next step is to remove the entire Board and prosecute these leeches ho are northerns and killing SADA at inception. Good work Mahama ; but more is needed
Let's check out Jebuni's record.
This has nothing to do with Jebuni or the President. This is Sulley's handiwork. Sulley is the guy who has made a personal fortune from trumpeting the poverty and development challenges of Northern Ghana. Sulley is the one ...
read full comment
The same old guinea fowl and re-aforestation thieves. It's jebuni's time to chop some. As a technical advisor, what kind of advise did he give technically for the sada project? Apart from technically building mansions all ove ...
read full comment
The north needs dams in every constituency and not feasibility reports prepared by consultants. I, as a business man will not depend on a feasibility report prepared by somebody i did not assign. I will appoint my own consult ...
read full comment